ASK & DISCUSS INDEX

10 years, 9 months ago - Alève Mine

@ned You're touching upon an essential problem in the arts indeed: the extensive subjectivity of their value. Illustration: I'm a model. A photographer really wanted to take pictures of me. Bad. I told him I won't work for free. He seemingly rolled away, only to come back with an offer that he's offering his services for free. See the interesting issue. It's all around the place our industry. - Labels should only make money if musicians do - unless they are taking all of the musicians' income.

10 years, 9 months ago - Steven James

Thanks for the tips! Yeah I do like the idea of turning up at live music events - probably plenty of talented/unsigned artists. I will certainly give it a go! I have signed up with Creative-Commission, The Smalls and Radar but had no luck yet. I suppose this is all about putting the time and effort into pitching ideas, so perhaps it is just a matter of time.

With Genero.tv I was under the impression you are creating the videos and entering them into a contest? I can't really afford to do this right now - although I can see its a good idea.

10 years, 9 months ago - Marlom Tander

http://www.radarmusicvideos.com - where there are many bands with little/no money seeking videos :-)

Other approaches - go to the local live music pubs on a gig night and talk to people - most of the audience will be in bands. If you do this, just swallow your costs, it's only a few tens quid per vid, but your asking for them creates a serious barrier to bands saying yes. Once you've done what you need, then tell people they'll need to pay.

cheers

10 years, 9 months ago - Alève Mine

@ned We musicians as a rule don't earn anything anymore, why should it be paying for us musicians/"producers/labels" instead of us directors - as long as the same doesn't happen in the film industry to the same extent? Wake up, musicians have been juiced to the bone already, people! I'm talking to small film companies about small film projects and I notice they are looking at me like bone-crushing hyenas, asking about music videos.

10 years, 9 months ago - Ruth Gardiner

You could also try Genero TV http://genero.tv/ although this is more of a competition type of site.

10 years, 8 months ago - Ste Webster

i started by firstly joining local facebook groups in my area. theres usually a 'local scene' you can get involved with, see what bands are in your area and which ones have decent recordings/ which bands you like etc... next step is drop them a message. usually theyre more than happy to go have a chat with you and then if you're all in agreement with each other generally the next step is to make a video!

go watch as much live music as you can too to try and get a feel for the acts out there and decide on the sort of bands you'd like to work with. it saves you being stuck making a video for a crap band or at the least one that wants a video but the band wont last three months etc...

10 years, 9 months ago - Ned Hussain

II tried Radar, but they are just ridiculously priced. If anything it should be free for Directors and charger Record Labels/Producers. I wouldn't recommend it.

Genero.tv however is fantastic!

10 years, 9 months ago - Tom Green

Most of the bands I know are doing what a lot of directors I know do, when it comes to soundtracks. They either do it themselves (not very well) or get a mate to do it (often ditto). No 'start up' band has any money at all, and nor do plenty of more established acts either. Like everything else 'creative', the middle ground has gone. You're either doing it for free (like just about every single 'composer job' I see on this site) or you're right up the top end where there is still money. In between no longer exists.

10 years, 9 months ago - Alève Mine

@tom thanks for acknowledging the issue. That said, I still exist! And still will, as long as I can, quite literally, survive. Hear it to believe it: www.alevemine.com

10 years, 9 months ago - Ned Hussain

Aliéve, i am wide awake thanks!

I was addressing labels rather than musicians. But even then, if they want a music video, they should be paying for it. Not the directors who "might" get a job. Why should i pay a fee to pitch an idea, it doesn't work for me.

I might as well charge Cinematographers to have the opportunity to read my script and have them pitch their ideas and if i like them, I'll hire them. Hell i'll even charge actors for the opportunity to audition for a role they might not get.