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INDEXHeadlining of posts for unpaid work
12 years, 1 month ago - Margaret Dickinson
Previously, posts offering real work and unpaid work were headlined differently as 'jobs' and 'collaboration'. In the current bulletin a request for a freebie is headlined 'production'. Is this a replacement for 'collaboration' or is there a plan to return to making no distinction? Both seem to me objectionable. 'Collaboration' was far from ideal as it was often a euphemism for exploitation but at least it indicated the lack of pay. If 'production' is a replacements it is confusing as most of us use the term for projects based on professional paid work. If the idea is to go back to making no distinction isn't this a retrograde step, encouraging the notion that film production is a hobby for the wealthy, rather than a profession?
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11 years, 9 months ago - katy vans
This is how it should work; posts are either paid or unpaid and unpaid posts should be separated into evenings/weekends and daytime - as in people who realise if it is unpaid you will need to earn money in other ways so weekends are more likely to be available and those who don't (students and idiots). I have lost count of the amount of times i was expected to turn up for an audition for an unpaid job in the middle of the day.
Response from 11 years, 9 months ago - katy vans SHOW
11 years, 9 months ago - John Lubran
I have to agree with Daniel. This issue is not and should not be a moral crusade. May we spared from 'well meaning' totalitarianism and from those in whose mouths butter will not melt. Transparency is the key. People should be totally clear as to what's offered on either side of an agreement. Foolishness has the opportunity to obtain wisdom from its own folly.
Response from 11 years, 9 months ago - John Lubran SHOW
11 years, 9 months ago - Daniel Cormack
Whatever happens, there will always be people complaining; almost always it seems to be about getting in the thin end of a wedge to remove unpaid collaboration / volunteering altogether from the bulletins.
I feel sorry for the people running the bulletins having to field this constant stream of misplaced bitterness.
The best SP can do is give people as much information as possible and let them decide given all the facts.
If people are so lazy that they don't bother reading the info and apply for something they find out they don't want, then it wastes everyone's time, but they've only themselves to blame.
I actually think the more formatted the bulletins have become, the less people are able to distinguish.
Response from 11 years, 9 months ago - Daniel Cormack SHOW
12 years, 1 month ago - Sarah Chorley
Hi Margaret,
We do indeed still make a distinction between roles - everything's clearly marked on each line under the 'Production' heading as either 'Expenses', 'Low Paid' or 'Paid', both before the title and in the actual body of the bulletin.
We had many discussions at SP about what would be a good term to cover all collaborations, and we thought this was the best solution - please do feel free to suggest anything you think would work better!
Best,
Sarah
Response from 12 years, 1 month ago - Sarah Chorley SHOW
11 years, 9 months ago - Natalie Massone
Hello,
I strongly agree on the fact that the distinction should be clearer, if you work as a professional in the industry you NEED to get paid and pay your bills. If jobs are unpaid, it is still great experience but should reserved for weekends, as most people have day-jobs.
I was recently contacted by a Shooter regarding my role as storyboard artist, and I would have loved to help more, but I still need to make money, so the only thing I could do is to think a low-paid solutions for Shooters.
Good work need to be taken seriously, this why the role of a Producer is essential fto guarantee quality.
Best,
Natalie
Response from 11 years, 9 months ago - Natalie Massone SHOW