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Creative Industries: Knowing where to focus your resources

8 years, 10 months ago - Otto Lenz

The more creative types I meet the more fluid I resolve creativity to be. The musician who loves to paint. The artist gifted at dance. The actor with the half-finished novel.

As someone re-immersing himself in the creative industries, now as a second profession, I’m not blessed with unlimited time to establish a true vocation, but equally must focus my resources in one direction for the best chance of success.

So, I come for advice. How did you know which direction to head? What made you focus more on acting/directing/writing than your music/drawing/design? Did you get it right first time? Did your secondary passion put up a fight?

Keen to read anything you have to share. Thanks in advance!
Otto

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8 years, 10 months ago - Dan Selakovich

I think anyone responding to this would say, "because I love it." And let's face it, unless you truly love some aspect of filmmaking, you're in for a world of hurt. It's hard enough even if you DO love it.

I got into editing because I found a true love, and knack for it, at film school. And about 5 years before film school, I took a writing class and found that I loved that, too. And in-between, I worked in the camera dept. on regional commercials. I liked operating camera, but didn't have the passion for it that one needs to make it a career.

What am I trying to say? I guess I created opportunities for myself that by saying "yes" to everything. "Dan, can you operate an Arri III?" "No" was the true answer, but I said I could, and took 5 days to learn the damn thing, and rented a gear head and practiced with it for 8 hours a day. I pulled it off come shoot day. I never passed up any filmmaking opportunity in those early days. On the first feature I edited, the director was let go after his first cut. The producer informed me that I was going to direct additional scenes and pick-ups to make the film work. I didn't say, "no, I've never directed (professionally, anyway)." It went on to make a little money, and I was pigeon-holed as someone who could fix a movie. I've been doing that, mostly, since 1986. The downside is, I work uncredited on films in trouble. Always. But, hey, it's work. Through those experiences, I found that I love working with actors and am pretty good at directing them. And to take a bad film and make it good through editing is something I'm pretty good at.

Find an aspect you love by trying different things. Film school is the best way, but there are others.

I've never really been in your position, though. I can't remember a time when I didn't want to be a filmmaker. I wrote my first script in 1978. Filmmaking is all I've ever wanted to do, so I didn't have to fight a "real" career, and have been lucky enough to make a living at it--for the most part!

You don't mention what you want to do. Surely you have some inkling. If you want to be a writer, write a page a day. In 3-4 months, you'll have a script. That doesn't take a lot of time. If you want to act, take an acting class at night. Most actors have 2 jobs: acting and ___________. They do it, and so can you. If you want to direct, get a digital camera and some editing software and get started. Digital is cheap and easy.

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8 years, 10 months ago - Otto Lenz

Thanks for sharing, Dan. And for the practical advice.

The confusion for me is that I’m passionate about both acting and music. The power of music and the creative process of its development always captivated me. In terms of its ability to inspire, move, elevate etc. I’d argue it to be the greatest.

And yet in truth, I think it’s always been acting for me. Before I branched off into a conservative profession, I recall having the same conviction that you describe of your filmmaking when you were young. It’s just taken me to move to London to remember what I’d gradually learned to forget.

As you suggest, I’ve begun throwing myself into everything I can. Even scooped up some work for next week. Eek.

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8 years, 10 months ago - Dan Selakovich

@Otto Lenz You can do both. Why choose?

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8 years, 10 months ago - Otto Lenz

@Dan Selakovich Tick tock!

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8 years, 10 months ago - Paddy Robinson-Griffin

I never knew, I've changed direction so many times, and I'm OK with that. I get bored quickly, but skills you bring from one side of life can apply well to another. I've brought techniques and suppliers form live events into film which has saved a lot of cash, I've brought IT skills into the live events, I've used Project Management skills to plan and budget features. I think it can be unhelpful to define yourself as a single thing, you miss out on the richness of discovery.

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8 years, 10 months ago - Dan Selakovich

That's so true, Paddy. There's a lot of cross-talk in the skills you acquire, so nothing is really lost.

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8 years, 10 months ago - Otto Lenz

Interesting point Paddy. I like the approach.

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8 years, 10 months ago - Alève Mine

These are posts about exactly that.
http://bit.ly/2cLZ8xh
http://bit.ly/2d0OZi5

But Otto, what you may want to ask yourself is why you feel the need to ask us.

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8 years, 10 months ago - Otto Lenz

@Alève Mine

Wow. How perfectly relevant. Thanks for the resource. It aligns with what I’ve read previously about success and how learning and progress in a variety of fields often has a collaterally positive affect on all aspects of your life.

Not sure I understand your question though. I asked because I wanted to hear from creatives about their own journeys and what it was made them prioritise x over y. And especially perhaps to hear from a few who never had to choose, or who have achieved enough success to support themselves financially, therefore being capable of balancing it all.

Why do you think I asked the question? :)

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8 years, 10 months ago - Alève Mine

@Otto Lenz

Well, such choices are quite individual, hardly transferrable in any relevant manner.

I don't know why you've asked. I guess you may know.

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8 years, 10 months ago - John Lubran

It's been an organic process for me. Became a roadie for top bands which taught me to drive an articulated lorry, film with a camera and edit video. Bought a Hi8 edit vcr and a few cheap production tools and found my self getting paid to make low budget films of every genre. Learned a lot about direction and structure.

Got enough money together to build what was at the time a fully broadcast standard production and post production facility based on Betacam SP. It cost loads but was in great demand. The combination of abilities, facilities and creative ideas in not just the art of film and TV but also the 'width" of its potential applications has kept me going for over 30 years.

I was lucky with my timing though. Back then it was a much more monopolised and costly entry ticket. Today it's all about ideas and craft (which if an inherent skill can be acquired overnight). So now much easier and cheaper to get into but somewhat harder to make a decent living whilst do it. There's tons of it about but the money's diluted. My advice is, if one has the nouse for it; start at the top!

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